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Real News not Fake News

Discerning Truth is an art. From the main stream media with millions of listeners, to blogs with a handful of subscribers, there is content galore, but no sure way to know what to believe.  Intellectually honest people want to know what is true and what is false and what might fall into the grey zone.

I need help from anyone willing to post his/her sources of credible information. Peak Prosperity is a model discussion site. Here we find a civilized approach to truth seeking and very reliable information, but what are the news sites that we can draw from?

It would be great to see three things discussed here:

1. Your methodology for determining accurate news.

2. Listings of sites that do accurate fact checking and comments about the veracity of those sites.

3. Places you go where there is a high probability of finding truthful content.

Thanks for your help on this.....I am obsessed by the need to navigate towards the truth.

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Corbett Report

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Great Topic Oliveoilguy

Oliveoilguy,

Thanks for this timely conversation. The need to have input from multiple viewpoints to help with our own methods of judging the sources that we use to determine how we see the world is getting more tricky. It would seem that during and especially after the election, the definition of reality is getting harder to discern. The assault on non-mainstream news sources by TPTB is now blatantly out in the open for all who are interested and awake, to see.

It's 1984 in 2016.   

Tim.

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agreed, great topic, OOG

Oliveoilguy wrote:

1. Your methodology for determining accurate news.

there's no specific catch-all method.

i try to be open to new ideas, listen, and reflect on things i hear, both the content and the tone, and use critical thinking to interpret what i'm hearing, as to whether it is plausible and accurate and unbiased.

over time, sites that seem to provide reliable info, i'll visit them more often, and use them to vet other new sources of info.

Oliveoilguy wrote:

2. Listings of sites that do accurate fact checking and comments about the veracity of those sites.

none

Oliveoilguy wrote:

3. Places you go where there is a high probability of finding truthful content.

probably my top two in terms of solid, reliable information would be:

peakprosperity.com

corbettreport.com

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other very good ones:

zerohedge.com

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

http://williamengdahl.com

usawatchdog.com

http://www.jsmineset.com/

https://www.financeandliberty.com/

http://spaceweathernews.com/

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a couple more which are highly speculative info, but very interesting:

http://goldenjackass.com/

http://halfpasthuman.com/

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Naked Capitalism

I've always found http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ to be pretty accurate and the comment sections are usually pretty enlightening.

Of additional interest, they just fired a shot across the bow of the Washington Post demanding a retraction of their recent ill conceived propornot attack on 200 internet news sites and added a new spoof website called https://propornot.org/ which decries the deterioration of U.S. propaganda quality.

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Boiling Frogs and Corbett

I have found that Sibel Edmonds Boiling Frogs site is slow in pushing material out but is very insightful in her honesty and without ideological slant. I also think James Corbett is great and Steve St. Angelo is good with his focus on energy depletion.

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I'm sorry, what's a good link for that boiling frogs & Corbett?

I'm envisioning that you take the frogs, put them in about half a cup of Corbett Canyon Merlot (with just a hint of black cherry), and turn up the heat slow. Boil some water to the side, and add as necessary to keep it liquid and boiling. Lid initially, until the boil is rolling, to ensure proper food safety.

Then while that is going on, you grind some fresh black pepper, and sliver about four cloves of garlic , also loosely chopping a quarter onion.

Add one Tbs of grapeseed oil, and the rest of the ingredients once the water is rolling, and spice with a bit of rosemary, and grate in just a hint of lemon zest. Take 1 Tbs of flour in a cup, and add some of the broth, mixing it slow to thicken. Then return that to the mixture, and cook down until thick.

But maybe I have the whole paradigm wrong. Maybe this is done with white wine and a cream sauce?

Could you give a link to the news site? Although I may pull your froglegs for a little while, a link would be useful.

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I'm sorry, what's a good link for that boiling frogs & Corbett?

Touche, But you miss the essence of true culinary perfection. Boiling Frogs is a waste of a fine,  delicate and sweet meat. A pan saute is really the only way to go. The pepper, garlic and a touch of onion is fine. I prefer it be done in a ghee and pinot grigio sauce. The problem is finding a good source of non toxic frog legs to cook. I refuse to use the ones from Chinese farms and have to go gig the domestic ones that I can find.

As for news I offer the following;

https://www.newsbud.com/ This is Sibel's new site. https://www.corbettreport.com/ James Corbett's site. Hope you find much useful and helpful information, Best Regards

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On Fake news vs. real news

My methodology, such as it is, involves never accepting any one source for anything.  

For example, when the US ship was allegedly fired upon by Yemen rebels, and the US retaliated, I could not find consistent reporting on what happened. 

There seemed to be consensus in the US press, but then that got wobbly and the whole thing disappeared.

So I’m pretty sure something happened but I really don’t know what.

I kept checking and reading what Russia was saying, the westerns press (there’s no difference in US/UK/Eu sources, so any one major news outlet is sufficient to gather their views), I checked navy veterans’ blogs and more speculative sites.

Nothing really emerged so I came up with an “I don’t know” and did not report on it heavily here.

What I am proposing is that the search for real news is not as easy as finding a single site that’s got it right.

The balance is always between getting something out quickly and getting it right.  The quicker you run with something the greater the chance you are running with version 1.0 of the spin machine. 

Worse, we know that the major media outlets are infested with security state actors as are the comment threads beneath every significant article at a major outlet.

And we’re all humans and everybody has their own bias, myself included.  There’s no escaping that, and so my trust in various sources is nuanced by my understanding of each player’s biases.  For example, William Engdahl is listed above as a possible source, but my filter for him includes his views on oil as being abiotic in origin as excluding him from the people I read for anything related to energy.

The bottom line becomes this; read everything, trust none of it, and trust yourself.

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Irony overload

The double irony of Hillary Clinton complaining about fake news on SeeBS after her fake story about the video that caused the Benghazi attack was just too much! Talk about folks that just don't get it!

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or something else?  I had a good laugh when I read this the other day too (primarily the "false propaganda" part of the comment).  From your CBSNews link:

“The epidemic of malicious fake news and false propaganda that flooded social media over the past year -- it’s now clear that so-called fake news can have real world consequences,” Clinton said.

And then we have this gem from a few days ago:  link

PELOSI: I don’t think people want a new direction. Our values unify us and our values are about supporting America’s working families. that’s one that everyone is in agreement on. What we want is a better connection of our message to working families in our country, and that clearly in the election showed that that message wasn’t coming through. But we are united in terms of the security of our country, which is our first responsibility. To be smart and strong and not reckless in how we protect the American people, strong in how we protect our economy.

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Just avoid fake news

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The "Just Trust Us" Conspiracy Theory

Having spent parts of today driving, I listened to parts of NPR's Diane Rehm news talk show in which the topic of the two - 1 hour shows was the latest New York Times story about the Russian hack of the election and how that may have changed the outcome. The program that followed was the Fresh Air show also on NPR, which profiled a guy from Buzzfeed where the subject was "Fake News" in which there was discussion about a study done about the insidiousness of fake news on Facebook where apparently a majority of young folks get their news. I came away from both the 2 Diane Rehm shows and the Fresh Air show feeling like I was being hustled by a concerted effort to convince the me that the election was stolen from Hillary by Putin in league with Trump. Neither show presented any new proof, just the usual "expert" testimony, or "reliable" sources or the "professional opinion" of the many alphabet soup of security entities, who "really know". Another disturbing feature of both of these "information shows" was that there were repeated references to main stream sources as being the unquestioned standard of truth, no more thought required, whereas the fake news providers were lumped together to be dismissed as having an agenda or having ties to Russia etc., not worthy of further discussion. 

Is it my imagination or is there a major effort afoot to overturn both the election, through subverting the Electoral College process and The First Amendment by marginalizing any source that is not in line with the righteous dogma from TPTB which doesn't want Trump or free speech. The hypocrisy of these people is truly breathtaking.   

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Fake F***ing Everything

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Not your imagination

Is it my imagination or is there a major effort afoot to overturn both the election, through subverting the Electoral College process and The First Amendment by marginalizing any source that is not in line with the righteous dogma from TPTB which doesn't want Trump or free speech. The hypocrisy of these people is truly breathtaking.   

No, it's not your imagination. Just like the war on cash isn't meant to decrease corruption or put terrorists or drug dealers out of business, the war on "Fake News" isn't meant to actually help anything, it's just meant to quell dissenting voices. As CHS pointed out, how is his Oftwominds.com blog "fake news"? He uses statistics from the BLS, IRS, St. Loius Fed, etc., but the problem is his narrative doesn't line up with the narrative being put out by the MSM shills who speak for the "State". If BLS, IRS, and St. Loius Fed data makes his site fake news, then by this logic, the US Gooberment is in fact putting out fake news. How ironic is that? Maybe they just need to stop putting out data since it's all fake anyway. How does inflation swing wildly quarter to quarter? Oh, it's adjusted so that quarterly GDP looks better - i.e. fake news. 

As far as the election goes, I just feel sorry for those on the left. There is an endless list of excuses they are willing to employ as to why they lost the election, but the fact of the matter is the Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate (errr, I mean Russia!!). Had Bernie been allowed to win the primary as would have happened without the coordinated effort by the DNC, MSM, etc., the Dems would have easily beaten Trump. It would have been a landslide, but they just couldn't do it. The elite wing of the party knew better than the little people of the party, and they ended up losing the election. Now, I guess the elites think they can engineer a coup of the Electoral College and get them to vote for HRC instead of Trump. Or perhaps they think if they can control the "news" they can control the outcome of the next election? It's a concerted effort by TPTB as you say, but it will fail just like their candidate in the last election failed because more and more people are waking up, in part, thanks to websites like this. 

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Methinks he doth protest too much. . .

I certainly empathize with your reaction, T2H, as I feel much the same in regards to the aforementioned subject matter. But to be clear; IT'S NOT ALL BULL%$&.

http://www.farmwest.com/not-all-manure-is-created-equal-2009

Of course, that difference can be lost if you happen to step in it or end up wearing it!

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Ministry of Truth

"We are "Minitrue". In our ministry, we are concerned with news, entertainment, education and the fine arts."

http://1984ministries.tripod.com/ministry/id3.html

Just stating the obvious

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Putin Personally Hacked DNC

Credible sources confirm that Putin and a Robotic Bear overflew Washington DC in a hack mission. The conclusion is solid due to the fact that the investigation has begun and the findings will be released sometime in the future.....maybe.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/370613-revealed-putin-personally-hacked-dnc/

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ABC News hired by Facebook

ABC News has a dismal record when it comes to fact checking, yet they have been hired to police the factual content of Facebook. Hum......

http://heatst.com/politics/abc-has-a-fake-news-problem-so-why-is-it-poli...

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Ted Talk on AstroTurf and Fake News

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Thanks Oil Man for the many comments and helpful links.

I would like to pursue this topic off line with others interested in building something............

My own take is that

i.  the golden age of science  and the need for basic scientists is mostly over but the fundamental attitudes are needed more than ever.   Science "PhD"s are doctors in philosophy who specialize in looking for and evaluating observed facts to create models of reality.  This same process can replace or eliminate nonsense given to us from the elite via smart phone, TV, internet flooding etc.

ii. interestingly, in agreement with i. above is the fact that the greatest internet truth bloggers (Stephen Molyneux, Charles  H Smith come to mind  as at the top of my list) are trained-formally educated-philosophers and others who are very good seem to talk/write as a philosopher.

iii. the wellspring of truth determination, based on the philosophical mind and discipline and realized via the practice and discipline of science (the "soft" sciences such as sociology/anthropology etc. admittedly may some members which fit this) can contribute or at least provide some guidance/  Now that humanity has achieved enough science to be superseded by his own creations (smart phones that do jobs better than their nominal owners, smart robots etc to replace most jobs eventually) the next major challenge of truth seekers who previously went into science and philosophy, is this problem of finding truth in an information flooded world.

iv. the nice thing about truth is that those who spin webs of lies get caught up into those same lies and fail.  Truth can set you free  but non-truth trips the believer.  Hillary Clinton (and a foolish sounding Obama (Putin ate his homework)  and Steven  Colbert -listen to him talk about Alex Jones) are examples of  this.
iv. we need to develop a discipline and can build some really interesting websites based on supplying this need.............................

My specific procedure for finding truth in an ocean of lies follows what I learned in Molecular Biology. Molecular Biology truth has analogous problems because the cell is extremely complex and the molecules can and do  millions of different things, so it is very easy to create tons and tons of biochemical data and make up a story about how a protein or  enzyme or DNA fragment works, based on selecting only some snippet or tiny portion of data that gives a feel good conclusion but which is totally wrong.
The earlier pioneers of Molecular Biology found truth by doing two or more experiments that did NOT share the same starting materials or even the same known mechanism but could create a result that could only be explained by a testable hypothesis, (determination of truth based on totally different set of  facts that  require a common theory for explanation).  Lets say you test a feeback system by examining the formation of protein from DNA that is necessary, but also test to see if when you use otherwise identical DNA with tiny difference encoding the protein (and then separately another component of a system required), you get an expected result. Data from two types of factual sources that are not related and that do not suffer the same bias is more believable.  This could be a basic step of a truth determination procedure..
 
An example from the internet is the following:
a. some plumber in Texas finds his old truck filmed in an ISIS video.  How can a truck disposed in Texas wind up in a video made by ISIS in Syria?
b. wikileaks reveals a truth that the US govt spent 500 million dollars for private US media/film company at the time of the truck event to make bogus ISIS films and to plant such around the world.

Item a. makes sense and forms a common story in combination with item b., and is more reliable because there is no relation between the news reporting of the guy finding his old truck with his company name on it in an ISIS video, and the completely different sourced and biased news that the US spent tons of money making such kind of videos.  This provides SOME confidence of non-ISIS videos, but the sleuther can look for more and more evidence, and build up (or decrease) the confidence level of the truth under  study.
Thus, one avenue for truth finding is triangulation between information that has NO relationship with each other (source/motivation/ avenue of presentation etc).  As in the case of Molecular Biology truth generation, after the field accumulates a number of unrelated approaches done by different biased individuals that lead to the same concept, the concept slowly changes from an educated  guess into a believed theory.  
 
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"Outdated Ukrainian Malware"

Looks like a portion of Obama's document on "Russian Hacking" may be Fake News or less than honest.

The malware found in a Vermont Utility according to Wordfence is P.A.S. v.3.1.7 which is  old and commonly distributed. The latest version 4.1.1b.

https://www.rt.com/usa/372347-russian-hackers-power-grid/

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See GlennGreenwald:

He wrote a piece this morning blowing the Washington Post story to smithereens.Other reporters asking the right questions,Matt Taibbi and Sam Biddle.Without propaganda.... 

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Glen Greenwald

I also really appreciated Glenn Greenwald's dissection of the Washington Posts article where WaPo is caught red-handed, creating fake news (for political purposes).

The Guardian’s Summary of Julian Assange’s

Interview Went Viral and Was Completely False

Julian Assange is a deeply polarizing figure. Many admire him and many despise him (into which category one falls in any given year typically depends on one’s feelings about the subject of his most recent publication of leaked documents).

But one’s views of Assange are completely irrelevant to this article, which is not about Assange. This article, instead, is about a report published this week by The Guardian that recklessly attributed to Assange comments that he did not make. This article is about how those false claims — fabrications, really — were spread all over the internet by journalists, causing hundreds of thousands of people (if not millions) to consume false news. The purpose of this article is to underscore, yet again, that those who most flamboyantly denounce Fake News, and want Facebook and other tech giants to suppress content in the name of combating it, are often the most aggressive and self-serving perpetrators of it.

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fake news sensor

My first step in determining whether news is fake is to ask the good old question: "Who benefits".  This can get complex since there is a lot of fake (aka partially true) news that seems plausible to those who want to believe it, but it's really there to get those believers to discredit themselves.  After watching that A&E documentary on Scientology, I see how the very same techniques used there are used in the fake news industry.  Scientology tightly controls their membership's exposure to external information.  The news industry, having been purchased and controlled by the big money interests are doing the same thing.  The internet can be neutralized by flooding it with bullshit.  Welcome to the global company town, trapped by misinformation and debt.

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