Quick Disclaimer

The following is a transcript of recorded content. Please note, these transcripts are not always perfect and may contain typos. If you notice any major mistakes, please feel free to report them by opening a Technical Support ticket under the Help menu at the top of the screen.

Full Transcript

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:00:00] Today we’re going inside the Dutch farmers revolt. We’re talking with Papain von Harlingen, a representative in the Dutch parliament, and we’re talking with Michael Yon. Listen, you probably have not been hearing a lot about this Dutch farmers revolt, and that’s because of a sin of omission by the media. It’s a big deal. They have really important things to say. Today we go right to the source. We’re going to find out why people are so unhappy, why the farmers are so unhappy, and why this movement is now spreading around the world. We are talking now direct from The Hague, from the parliament building with Michael Yon and Pepin. Welcome, gentlemen. It’s so good to have you here. I want to discuss what’s going on in Holland right now with the Dutch farmers, and we’ll start with that and maybe move on to other topics. But first, some introductions. Pepper John, can you introduce yourself to us, please?

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:00:49] Thank you very much. Thank you for inviting me on the show. My name is Pejin. I’m a member of the Dutch Parliament for everyday form for democracy and we are anti-globalist movements and we are of course very much in support of our farmers.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:01:04] Fantastic. Michael, for my audience, who have not had the pleasure of meeting you yet. What’s your background?

Michael Yon [00:01:10] Yes, sir. I grew up in Florida. I’m a war correspondent. I was in Special Forces for some years. And so that sort of led me into that line of work later as I saw the Iraq war going very badly. One of the dumbest wars we ever done. And then the Afghan war did the same. And so I spent years in those wars. And then in other wars, such as in Nepal and Philippines and just many other places, Hong Kong conflict in Hong Kong. And so since that time, I’ve been watching the migration issues, the pandemic issues, because, as you know, pandemic, famine and war are part of the same system as is human migration. The human osmotic pressure, the hop, the push and pull of migration is something is hand in hand with warfare. So just ten days ago or so, I was in Mexico and I saw that the the Dutch farmers were having a problem with the weapons, as they call it here, the World Economic Forum, the dark cult of Davos. And, you know, I spent I lived six years in Europe. I speak German fluently. I lived in Poland. So I’m quite cognizant of what’s going on over here. I pay close attention. I was in Europe last year in Lithuania, warning about what could happen with the Russians. I was down tracking migrants in Morocco and Greece and that sort of thing. And so when I saw what happened with the farmers here, I flew from Mexico. I came here because the Dutch farmers are the best in the world, which is a pretty big claim to make. But Netherlands is the second largest food exporter in the world. This is an extraordinary country, always has been. And and so I knew that this was very important. So I left Mexico tracking the migrants and came right here. And now we’re in parliament. And that’s why we’re sitting together talking with you, Chris.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:02:57] Well, fantastic. Thank you for that, Michael. And I’m very you you started you said anti-globalist. I want to start there because this farmer movement, I don’t know that we can really appreciate it without having the context for it, understanding the larger why. So let’s start there. When you say Anti-Globalist first, how many people would you say are on that wavelength with you there in Parliament? What’s the story there and how are you approaching? Why why that framing?

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:03:27] I think it’s a very broad movement to allow you to get across Michael and I, but also the Japanese journalists. We have the same problems in our country. So we see that much of our sovereignty is that so much of our independence is being slowly but surely being at the sharp that is being taken away from us by global institutions like the World Economic Forum. So just this moment, just this moment, I got an answer from the government with regard to questions we asked about the World Economic Forum and also if the government boss probably cannot say to the degree of just humanity, we cannot send you these documents because it doesn’t get approved by the World Economic Forum to send you the document. So we can’t control our own government and yeah, do I can just name. So the policy is formed also by the World Economic Forum in this case, and we cannot control that anymore because the documents are this is the public private partnership format that’s part of the economic forum modes of operation we cannot support anymore. And they are in our government at every level. So they are ministers, they are secretaries of state, they are sometimes even death project leaders. So to say the work is subsidized by the Dutch government. We have very few trips, foot ups and so they want to make one big, what I call thrice. From the minute. So they want to go buy a part of Germany, Netherlands and Belgium in one big city state where there’s no of course, there’s no place for the farmers anymore. And so the farmers have to go. And that’s that’s that’s a big problem. It’s not just a problem, I think, of the Netherlands, but it’s a worldwide problem. So the globalists have intervened. This penetrated our governments and the top down, they say they make policy and we can’t control it anymore, even from the Dutch model. And we are, I think, the only Anti-Globalist party at this moment, political party in the Netherlands. But we’ve seen similar movements in other countries. Of course, I would say that’s a Trump certainly Anti-Globalist we just talked with a Japanese journalist at the Sun. There’s also a new growth and globalist party. So people are waking up in the in the world and yeah, we are very happy to see that it’s a fight we’re in together, so to say.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:05:58] Understood that. Hey, thank you for that for that answer. I totally get it. So this idea that sovereignty is the the WEF, clearly, they don’t want borders. They don’t want people to have individual cultures. It seems they have a plan and that’s that’s great. But they’re moving very, very fast, recklessly, fast, we would say, from a cultural standpoint. And they clearly obviously, it ends up with them owning everything and everybody else owning nothing. As you know, you’ll own nothing and be happy. They say that. So what I’m what I’m curious about Michael. We were talking by phone the other day and you said something that I thought Capsule8 did this very well, which was that when you’ve managed to unite the Germans in the Dutch man, you’ve done something. I’ve seen the pictures now of German farmers coming in and joining this, too. So to Papuans point, is this spreading? I mean, it feels like this is now not just a Dutch farmer situation, but that it’s actually maybe spreading a bit. Is that true?

Michael Yon [00:06:53] It’s true, for instance, that the German farmers in Saxon state in Germany have joined up. I’ve seen Polish farmers as well explicitly joining hands with Dutch farmers, saying it loud and clear. We are joining with Dutch farmers. So I think we see Germans doing that over and over. Yesterday, German and Dutch farmers were on the border at an immigration station because this place is being invaded as well by Africans and Middle Easterners and Soros as the same West crowd, as they call it here, WEF, World Economic Forum. It’s the same crowd that’s just pumping migrants in and telling them, you know, basically you can have all that you want here. And so as as you know, they’re doing the same to us. In May alone, we had 310,000 in May, 310,000 illegal aliens into the United States just in May. And so they’re doing the same here, Chris. And also, as you know, Poland, where I live for two years, those farmers are getting upset when you get Polish farmers upset, trust me, it’s just not a good thing. And and the Polish farmers are specifically siding with the Dutch and with German. So you’re not uniting Polish and German and Dutch farmers simultaneously. Meanwhile, as you see what happened in Italy yesterday and in the Spanish farmers as well, so we got the Italian farmers doing similar in the in the Spanish as well. So, you know, this is this is a big deal. And as you know, Nordstrom a Nordstrom is now shut down for maintenance. We’ll see how that goes. This is a potential kill shop for Europe. As you know, this is a whole nother topic. I watched your latest program first thing I did this morning as you’re tracking on this. Well, on the currency. And I’ll let you take that. But but the bottom line with the farmers, it’s more than just taking their land to make Tristate City, which is supposed to be a smart city. It’s that but it’s also unmooring the farmers from their cultural roots here in Netherlands. Right. And so it’s so that this is a typical brainwashing technique which is well described in the book Rape of the Mind by a Dutch psychologist in 1956. Marilou highly recommended Rape of the Mind. It describes all these things that we just went through with the lockdowns and all these gaslighting that goes on. He describes it perfectly. And so that’s what’s happening here taking the land, taking control of food production, food distribution and just food in general while knocking Netherlands in the head culturally and just pegging it, doing a replacement strategy, just as Stalin did with Ukraine, with the Holodomor, a 3233 famine was more to it than that. But and I could go on for hours, Chris, so I’ll go ahead and stop there.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:09:42] Well, thank you for that. What I’m curious about, though, is I tracked the trucker movement in Canada very, very closely. And I’m wondering first, to what extent did the farmers in and across all these areas now? But we’ll start start with the Dutch farmers. How much have they learned from that experience? As we saw the truck. Were demonized. They were called, you know, rapists, misogynists, Nazis, racists. They were called all kinds of things that the media played a big hand in that with the government, you know, trying to push this forward. And I’m wondering, A, how much of the Dutch farmers sort of drawn from that and learn from that and be I want to know how much of this content when you talk to farmers and they just worried about their farms or they worried about these larger issues that we’re talking about now? Well, how much context do they have? Because the the truckers in Canada, they had the full context. They understood that this wasn’t just about an attack on their livelihood. This was a much bigger thing.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:10:37] The farmers in the name is, I think, really completely awake. They know what’s going on. And you and Michael, you had a discussion every day with the Dutch farmer.

Michael Yon [00:10:46] I guess they’re totally tracking it like they’re like university level tracking on what’s going on. Well, not not the well, you know what I’m saying?

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:10:56] So they they are completely awake, I think. And of course, they know what’s going on. And the same techniques that were used in the Canadian truckers are used here to demonize the British farmers. So they actually being part of it. Also, they are there with their positions as people are threatening or threatening politicians or violence and or intelligence services. You will get a briefing in parliament where they said, well, maybe, maybe you shouldn’t go to a farm already because your security cannot be kept. And if you ask, okay, what’s what’s what is the evidence? Are they threatening or not? Any kind of evidence. They just were saying, oh, maybe something can happen. But by sending these kinds of messages by shows that, of course, they’re making a picture out of the farmers, that they are violence, that they are dangerous. That’s what they’re doing. Scaring that. Of course, our farmers, they are they are threatened by by being exported to get rid of them, almost with draconian measures they’re proposing at this moment. So it’s the other way around. But that’s part of the gaslighting we see everywhere, especially with the mass media and also the Internet. But the farm, our farmers are quite smart, I think, and they’re, you know, they know what’s going on. And he wasn’t. But that’s been going on in other parts of the world, like the Canadian trucks.

Michael Yon [00:12:20] Your truckers are totally tracking like they really are amazingly tracking. You know, they shot the police shot of that 16 year old about a week ago, luckily missed him. And I’ve seen a longer video of clearly a bad shot. He should have never shot.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:12:36] Any of that. So it’s from two sides, this film. So you you clearly see that he’s not a threat for anyone. But the police will say, okay, you’ve lost me. The minister, the secretary of state sector was saying, okay, well, maybe he was a threat. So it’s completely clear that he was not a threat for anyone. But they’re putting out those false narratives. That’s what they’re doing. And then, of course, they’re saying, like yesterday you were on the Dutch news that that we are the ones who we’re sending sending our disinformation. So it’s information war.

Michael Yon [00:13:08] That’s what yesterday they were attacking me on the Dutch as if I’m a threat. Yeah.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:13:13] It’s happening now.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:13:15] Yeah. Yeah, well, same. We saw we we’ve seen a lot of those playbook tricks, obviously, you know, the media trying to characterize, mischaracterize, you know, they do what they do. One of the other things that I was also very, very tired. I know a lot of people were in the American trucker movement. They got very sophisticated and they had to they had a whole security detail because they had infiltrators coming in constantly from security agencies. And and they had to have a very, very tight trust network in if they saw anybody new. Boy, they caught a lot of people coming in attempting to cause trouble so that they could make them look bad. The oldest trick in the book, right? Agent provocateurs and any evidence of that going on so far.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:13:56] As we have what they call Romeos and maybe a little bit seem a little bit similar to Agent Provocateur as you would see them. You should. There are all kinds of movies on the Internet. You see them run out of a police van. So they are in a police car. But you run out of civilian clothing, they grab someone and they try to get into the into the bus. Completely insane if you see the videos. And so so there may well be ancient provocateurs, kind of people acting with hard evidence I haven’t yet been able to obtain, but I wouldn’t be surprised because again, the playbook is the same. That’s what we have to work together. The globalists used the same playbook, I think, in all countries. So probably also we talked about this a about about provocateurs. So maybe they’re also operating in maybe you’ve seen them. You’re more experienced.

Michael Yon [00:14:45] I’ve seen a lot in the United States and I’m watching for them here. I haven’t seen anything yet that I’ve identified here yet. But it is it is the same playbook. It’s basically a franchise so that, you know, the things that I’ve seen in other countries, whether it be. Hong Kong or United States here. Thailand, I’ve watched you know, I’ve been in a lot of Japan where I’ve written three books in Japanese on Information War. Actually, I wrote them in English, translated. But bottom line is, it’s the same it’s the same franchise with a different menu. It’s tailored for every country, but it’s highly identifiable after you’ve seen it and say two or three like, I can watch, I can walk in, and I know basically how this thing works now.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:15:26] All right. So what are the demands of the like? So given the context, the farmers get it. They got this really high level of context. They’re understanding all of this. Where does this go? What’s the what are the what are the goals of the movement right now? What would they be asking for and what what happens next? Where do you think it goes from here? Well.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:15:46] The government’s objective at this moment is to try to install and negotiate. And I think if the farmers start to negotiate, they will negotiate their own surrender. That’s always hard to operate. So of course, they’ll go to negotiate from a standpoint of getting rebel forces. That’s why. But because the goals don’t change. The goals don’t change. So and the farmers are smart and so they know this. So I hope they will not fall into this strike and start negotiating because then they will negotiate with their backs against the wall. So but that’s what the plan of the government, because they see the unrest and start to negotiate their way out of them. But again, the goals are the goals and these are global goals and they can’t change goals. So the farmers have to go. That’s that’s the plan. And so I hope the farmers are able to resist. I hope other Dutch people and we see this going on will support the farmers and that’s why they will not bow to these measures. But this be very hard to find at this moment. The Government is maintaining the goals and goals are that this will mean that the farmers have to go simple.

Michael Yon [00:16:54] Is it just like negotiating with a bank robber? Yeah. You know, you just. You just can’t do it.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:17:01] Kennedy has a nice statement there, but you can’t negotiate with someone who’s thinking, okay, everything is mine is mine. Everything which is yours is negotiable. That’s how they operate, right? You cannot negotiate over of this.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:17:14] I yeah, I totally understand that. And I was listening to Russia’s Medvedev and Putin both saying that that in trying to negotiate with the West, they’re non serious negotiators, meaning they have that standpoint, which is everything that is mine is mine. Everything that yours is negotiable. And even once a negotiation has been reached, the trust is gone. That that the negotiation means anything because the other side may just decide to abrogate and and violate the terms of the agreement whenever it suits them. So that makes them non serious. Negotiator So how do you how do you put what’s the path then if you’re in negotiation with a non serious negotiator like what it feels like you can’t negotiate. So then what? What’s the plan.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:17:54] You have the plan at this moment I would say resist or we have to resist. We have to get our country back. So we cannot do anything anyway. But it’s my strong conviction before we get out of this terrible European Union, because also these 19 so-called budget problems, they are they have their origin in European treaties. So we are like a colony in animals. So we are a part of a European empire school to European Union. So in that European Union is sending out all kinds of mandates and they killed our our fishermen before our fishermen brought class fishermen with a special significance and bust forbidden by the European Union. You can it buy because this technique, the French doesn’t have its own way to compete with our fishermen. So the French used to cure for fishermen. So that’s our goal. So we have no position until just like the British, we have to get out of this terrible European Union. This is our parking spot as soon as possible. European Union is 100% globalist organization. So and I think it’s very difficult to negotiate anything until we get our sovereignty back. That should be the main goal, I think.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:19:07] Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Well, I totally understand. Now, the larger if we can widen out to Europe for a second with, you know, Brussels all shot through with technocrats, and they love to regulate and legislate and do all kinds of fun things. But what I’m seeing right now is probably the highest level of pressure on the entire European monetary union experiment. We just saw the euro go to parity with the dollar and we’re seeing Germany go through extraordinary difficulties. And by the way, if that Nord Stream one does not come back online, we’re going to be talking about potentially Germans burning furniture to stay warm this winter and maybe other Europeans as well. This feels like a huge, huge predicament. It makes a lot of sense to maybe hold the line and say, wow, this would be a really bad time for our country to, you know, take a whole class of farming out of offline at this point in time. That seems like a very logical argument to me, a. What’s the concern for the European Union at this point? Feels shaky. And B, what’s the what’s the what’s the the vibe among the people, the Dutch people, to say, hey, you know, maybe we should be cautious now. We should be more conservative and be careful rather than really pushing forward with this big agenda right now, it feels really awkward, the timing of this agenda, given where the European Union is at this time, which is, by the way, I’m looking at a shaky. Do you agree with that? And then also the Dutch people, how are they responding?

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:20:30] Well, you would agree that the European Union is very weak, but I think at this moment they’re what they call they’re dropping down a hammer. They are pushing forward even faster that they want to try to install European Union identity in Europe, planning European taxes. So of course the euro is a big problem. They can of course the fix is now in a race of interest rates, but the ECB, the European Central Bank, they cannot follow because then they cannot say the depth anymore and because you are not a political union yet. So there are all kinds of tensions within the European Union, but that’s what they love because when they are thinking there are crises and then they can grab more power. So I think they’re dropping down the hammer to go for broke. They want to do to solidify. They want to make a political union out of it. Let’s and I think the citizens don’t stand for it. But I think when you see what’s going on, of course, then, then we will really have lost all our freedoms. But that’s, I think, what’s going on at this moment. Now.

Michael Yon [00:21:30] What I would like to add is numerous things. One is courage breeds courage. It’s infectious, as is cowardice. And we see courage coming from the Canadians, which spread to American truckers. And I flew out to California and I drove all the way from California to Washington, DC with the truckers, and I was hopping from truck to truck, listening to them, learning how they do their business, making a network so I can keep my pulse on the truckers. And they were flying Canadian flags. And thanks for the idea of doing this. And now we see the Dutch doing it. That’s why I flew from Mexico to be here. When I see courage, I go to it like a moth to a lance. And so I saw courage here. And this is important. This is an important battleground. So I came here and I see it now spreading to Germany and I see it spreading to Poland. So I may drive over to Poland soon and Germany and and talk with those farmers and see what’s going on and try to spread this courage, which I know we can do. Numerous Dutch have asked me, Do you think that we can win or is this lost? I said, Listen, I would have never come here if I thought it was lost. I know we can win. Is it hard? Yep, it’s very hard. It’s going to take a lot of work, obviously. But I wouldn’t be here if it were. If it were lost. I know we can win the West yet we’re fighting two big monsters. Really. CCP And you talk about CCP all the time when you’re programs and you talk about World Economic Forum all the time. So I won’t rehash these things that I see you say because you already said so many of them, but they are not invulnerable. They are tough. But you know what doesn’t have an army? They’re not that tough. They’re like The Wizard of Oz. They’re like the guy behind the curtain. They are very smart, but they’re not invulnerable. We faced many smart enemies in the past and defeated them. So it really comes down to getting a groundswell of people up that just stand up and we’ve got that forming. We see it. And in Netherlands now we see the government here is afraid. You know, you see the Dutch are flying their flags upside down. Normally it’s red, white and blue.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:23:24] And now it’s a very beautiful sign because I like it. I love you. Of course, we love our flag. And that old tradition as to the upside down of Mexico, to the countries of Peru.

Michael Yon [00:23:33] Same with us.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:23:34] Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you see everywhere. And you also have the former chief.

Michael Yon [00:23:41] Yeah. The red handkerchief.

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:23:43] Also see that in many places. So, so. And that shows that also good citizens are supporting them.

Michael Yon [00:23:48] I can’t even buy a red handkerchief. They’re all gone. Yeah, yeah. They’re flying handkerchiefs everywhere. I can’t find one.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:23:55] I’ve seen them. It’s beautiful. So that’s the the battle is sort of the globalists and the populists or the people. Obviously, there’s there’s more more people always than globalists. And so the globalists are going to be very afraid of this really catching fire. So we watched the demonization and then the the ignoring of the movements in the media here and the trucker movement and then both in counter U.S.. So this is war at this point in time, right. And so war people think bullets. No, not wars. Now are there’s cognitive wars, there’s information wars, there’s propaganda. To me, that’s probably the biggest part of this, is making sure that the messages aren’t co-opted, diluted, taken over or otherwise ignored. So what’s what’s the plan now to to really make sure that the messaging and it gets out there? Because that’s what this really is for the most part. We are fighting an information war right now and it’s pretty intense. So what’s the plan over there for making sure that the correct messages get out and people get heard?

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:24:57] Yeah, so I fully agree. It’s an information war. That’s what I mean. It’s what they’re up against at this moment and what our party is doing. We are quite strong on social media. We are now our own publisher, Vichy in the Netherlands, that people have started their own and our newspapers. Scotland has to hold the stock of the account. So these are people’s newspapers. And so lots of people are waking up. We see a lot of activity, which, of course, is outside, outside of the mainstream media spectrum. And the mainstream media don’t like it. So yesterday, for example, it. So they see all this is quite fast and they have the program and they try, of course, to dismiss this all as disinformation, as propaganda. So was on our television, I saw all of this. So it’s really information more than you have the legacy media, which is, I believe, totally corrupt for the social media, which they want to cut off because of because that’s a very big threat. We have. Of course, you know, you have in the United States, you have the First Amendment. And so you have still some kind of freedom of speech, in your opinion, to be read our freedom of speech of so many examples. For example, Russia protests are forbidden. In your opinion. You make them like a grass order. So versus and it’s going to be book anymore, in your opinion. It’s it’s it’s mind boggling. So I’ve nothing with Russia but they are so they are killing free speech that’s what are doing at the same in our university universities the bulk agenda. So we see that we cannot make comparisons anymore if we shoot and if lost to shoot because we make the comparison with the Second World War. So they’re cutting down. And final example, we have one broadcaster in the public domain, which was founded last year. They are on our side, so to say, and now they are trying to remove this broadcaster from the public space again, so from the broadcasting corporations under the guise of disinformation. So it’s very hard, hard war because they’re using everything, again to silence us. And that’s very threatening.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:27:06] Yeah, absolutely. That’s is this is the first front of the war information. War is the most important war and war for the mindset. Now I’m watch I’m seeing a lot of cracks develop in the story. So I’m not as familiar with how this is played out in your country. But I’m curious to find out right now, we just saw our FDA said, oh, we can allow these vaccinations in infants six months to five years. And they just did that in Canada as well. And of course, there’s huge amounts of vaccine injuries which are now coming forward because these are very much not safe and also they’re not effective. So they lost the effective story a long time ago because they actually don’t work against these variants. They’re all Macron variants which aren’t even that deadly in the first place, right? Basically not that bad. So now all of a sudden, I’m watching they’re starting to lose this battle where people are starting to be able to talk about this. And this is the actual battle we’re in. Private knowledge is when you and I and Michael, we can talk about this stuff, maybe you can talk about it with a few people. Common knowledge is when everybody knows that. Everybody knows. That’s when the story changes. Yeah, that’s the that’s the moment when the the murmuration of starlings all flies a different direction. That’s what they’re afraid of. We’re this close to people being able to talk openly on a bus about this. Right. This is the challenge. And so I’m wondering, where are we in that story over there? Where are you? Are people being able to start talking about this openly, that this was a bad idea, poorly done, shoved down our throats and in fact, it harmed a lot of people?

Pepijn Van Houwelingen [00:28:40] I truly agree. I can almost sense sense of in the sense in a way, because you can see that the stories are gripping everything outside of the target to get support for, for example, fixing dementia for teen problems. And you see, for example, in the Dutch mainstream media, you see like like little bit scary titles like, okay, we have a 30% rate in, for example, people go to get in hospitals, but of course it’s like a big question mark or we have excess, excess mortality, though not of course. So it’s so people together, but what’s going on. So it’s still difficult to go deeper and deeper because then they know the stories, because if they are going to people, to the story, they get canceled. But you see it dripping out a little bit by a little bit and also the acceptance of the fiction so people don’t have to get the bush off more. So people are you can see the science waking up. But still, of course, the main story is they try to protect the main story. It’s like a prescribed reality. That’s why you have to think this will lose weight. I double check your president. A very nice essay about that, but little truth about the combination. Now you also have to acknowledge reality which wasn’t real. Scout. Yeah. You see, the thing that’s typical for totalitarian societies quite a bit. So she was also in the Netherlands. She also the truth making of more and more because of course there are still on the signs what we see, what’s happening. We see the bigger the damage calls for trouble by the factions. So so it’s yeah it’s like a personalization for people. So it’s really it’s really interesting. Fascinating, but also very interesting.

Michael Yon [00:30:29] Yeah. And Chris, you did a you did an episode on the common knowledge of things that we can start talking about on the bus. And that’s why I think you did it about two months ago. It was great. I don’t remember the title of it, but I need to republish that one because you talked about, you know, the difference between, okay, we know it, but we can’t talk about it. But we’re I think we’re to the point where we can talk. I talk about it all the time. And you have.

Dr. Chris Martenson [00:30:51] That is all I’m comfortable putting out here on YouTube. The rest, hey, we go into some other territory if you want to see that, come to Peak Prosperity Rt.com. We’ve got the rest of the interview there. As always, Peak Prosperity is where you find all of my thoughts uncensored, unfiltered and completely exactly what I think. All right. Hope to see you there. Hope you enjoyed this. We’ll see you next time.